Tonight/early Sunday morning, I'll be on Coast to Coast AM with host Connie Willis. 3 am EST Sunday/2 am CST/12 midnight tonight PST.
Ill be discussing the Grand Canyon Mummies and what evidence might support this supposed find in 1909.
Showing posts with label grand canyon mummies. Show all posts
Showing posts with label grand canyon mummies. Show all posts
Saturday, March 16, 2024
Monday, February 5, 2024
Using Science to Find the Grand Canyon Mummy Site
There's a lot of speculation about the 1909 Phoenix Gazette paper describing an unusual apparently Egyptian-looking cavern (LINK) filled with relics and mummies from very long ago. Many use the article as the factual accounting, but those of us who prefer logic ask ourselves, "if this is true, how is it feasible?"
Wednesday, February 12, 2020
Grand Canyon Mummies: Validity to Initialized Name of Kincaid
As Dennis Guern and I continue our research into the Grand Canyon Mummies we came across something interesting.
Here are the prior installments in this series -
#1 LINK Background
#2 LINK Original Article
#3 LINK Others Attempts To Find the Giants' Cave
#4 LINK Google Earth Survey
#5 Link Grand Canyon Mummies Versus Death Valley Mummies
#6 Link Hopi Tale of the Ant People
#7 Link The Story of the Momia de la Cueva
#8 Link Validity of Initialized Names in that Era
Friday, April 19, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies: The Story of the Momia de la Cueva
Researcher Dennis Guern and I have worked on this series about the Grand Canyon mummies with the hopes of weeding out the details of the 1909 newspaper article about the find and seeing if any of the components are feasible. In today's installment, we hope to bring to life through a fictionalized narrative, a possible scenario for these people -
Tuesday, April 16, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies: Hopi Tale of Ant People
Prior installments in the series:
#1 LINK Background Information
#2 LINK Original Article
#3 LINK Others Attempts To Find the Giants' Cave
#4 LINK Google Earth Survey
#5 Link Grand Canyon Mummies Versus Death Valley Mummies
(this post is #6)
#7 Link Momia de la Cueva
#8 Link The Validity of the use of Initials in Names of that Era
Thursday, April 11, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies Versus Death Valley Giants
There is a similar story told of a find in the 1930s in Death Valley, California. The find was stumbled upon by a prospector poking around an ancient mine that caved in, sending him into a cavern. In this installment of the series, let's compare the Grand Canyon supposed find with the Death Valley supposed find.
Prior and future installments:
#1 LINK Background
#2 LINK Original Article
#3 LINK Others Attempts To Find the Giants' Cave
#4 LINK Google Earth Survey
(This post is #5)
#6 Link Hopi Tale of the Ant People
#7 Link The Story of the Momia de la Cueva
#8 Link Validity of Initialized Names in that Era
Death Valley Find
From the book Death Valley Men by Bourke Lee (summarized)
A lost city of gold worth billions of dollars. They’ve needed help to get it out, but people all want too much a share, Smithsonian (Smithsonian involved in Grand Canyon find too) offered 1.5 million instead of the 5 million they offered.
Right in the Panamint Mountains, found by accident. White was prospecting near Wingate Pass at the south end of the range. He was working in an old abandoned mine shaft when the shaft crumbled and he fell below.
Natural tunnel/cave 20 miles long, through treasure vault, royal palace, and council chamber. It a gallery with stone arches in the eastern slope of the Panamints.
The arches are high above the valley but the men believed that the valley was filled with water long ago and so this was above the water line and they would land their boats there. (Interestingly, Lovelock Cave was thought to be at the water level of the ancient Lake Lohantan and Grand Canyon find Kinkaid said had steps for 30 yards from the cave entrance to where he believed the water line used to be).
They believe these people lived inside this city long after the lake dried up. (The Paiute legend said that the "Hav-Masuv" people of the Panamints went underground when the water dried up. They spoke of these people having arrived here prior to the Natives, coming by ship and that when they went underground they started to use silver ships that flew in the air).
They believe the people in the caverns had been dead for thousands of years, all mummified.
Gold spears, gold shields, gold statues, gold jewelry, thick gold bands on their arms (gold and copper reported items in Grand Canyon).
He fell into a cavern that was huge and there were a hundred men in it. Some were sitting around a polished table inlaid with gold and precious stones. Men stood around the walls of the room holding shields and spears of solid gold. They all wore leather aprons, covered in gold ornaments and jewels. Thomason believed that they had been having a council meeting when they died all together quite suddenly. (The same conclusion was made by Kinkaid of a male warrior council dying suddenly.)
When the man fell into the chamber room, he had stumbled in the dark. He found that these ancient people had natural gas they used for lantern light down there. He fumbled in the dark, stumbled over a rock lever and gas flames lit up from the candle he was using.
There was a gold statue with the face of the man sitting at the table. He said it was 89-1/2 feet tall. He said he used a sextant to measure it – he carried one for hiking in the desert.
Doors were slats of rock on hinges that pivoted. There was a bar across them and he found a small latch on the short end of the bar and the bar swung up. They understood counterweights.
Treasure: Gold bars and precious stones (similar to Grand Canyon). Treasure rooms inside of big rock bores. Gold stacked in small bars stacked against the walls like bricks. The jewels were in bins cut into the walls. They had stone wheelbarrows to move the gold and jewels. They were easy to move, balanced, with the wheel not on the end so that a man had to lift the weight, but in the center. White fell in, he went in with Fred Thomason twice and then took his wife once.
Fred admitted twice they brought stuff out. First time, filled their pockets with gems and each carried a gold bar. They left the stuff with a friend and went to try and interest someone in their find. A government man was interested, but they went back to the friend to get the items and the friend said he’d never seen them.
The next time, they got more treasure and buried it next to the shaft entrance. They went back to the coast to convince some university people and southwest museum people to come out and they got up on the mountains and he could not find the shaft. A storm had changed the landmarks. The scientists were angry and worked hard to discredit them after that.
White and Thomason admitted they could get back in again. They could enter through the galley windows cut up high on the Panamints on the west side – about 4500 to 5000 feet up. Openings across from the Furnace Creek Ranch. Can see the green of the ranch right below and the Furnace Creek Wash across the valley.
Some men got a Native American (Tom Wilson) to guide him whose grandfather had been through the caves. Far south of the mountains, these men found a mine shaft in the mountain where a shaft shouldn’t be. They rushed off and ordered a lot of rope and checked out the shaft. It was not deep, but did not go anywhere.
Note from the blog: This comparison and the long-held stories of the Smithsonian squirreling away finds makes one wonder if the Department of Ethnology made in conjunction with the Smithsonian worked as a front to claim native finds of treasure and then have the Smithsonian step in to take the treasures away. Perhaps the country wished to secure all its resources including anything of great worth of prior cultures and Spanish conquistadors.
MORE INFO: http://www.examiner.com/article/death-valley-s-underground-city-of-gold-the-final-part
They believe the people in the caverns had been dead for thousands of years, all mummified.
Gold spears, gold shields, gold statues, gold jewelry, thick gold bands on their arms (gold and copper reported items in Grand Canyon).
He fell into a cavern that was huge and there were a hundred men in it. Some were sitting around a polished table inlaid with gold and precious stones. Men stood around the walls of the room holding shields and spears of solid gold. They all wore leather aprons, covered in gold ornaments and jewels. Thomason believed that they had been having a council meeting when they died all together quite suddenly. (The same conclusion was made by Kinkaid of a male warrior council dying suddenly.)
When the man fell into the chamber room, he had stumbled in the dark. He found that these ancient people had natural gas they used for lantern light down there. He fumbled in the dark, stumbled over a rock lever and gas flames lit up from the candle he was using.
There was a gold statue with the face of the man sitting at the table. He said it was 89-1/2 feet tall. He said he used a sextant to measure it – he carried one for hiking in the desert.
Doors were slats of rock on hinges that pivoted. There was a bar across them and he found a small latch on the short end of the bar and the bar swung up. They understood counterweights.
Treasure: Gold bars and precious stones (similar to Grand Canyon). Treasure rooms inside of big rock bores. Gold stacked in small bars stacked against the walls like bricks. The jewels were in bins cut into the walls. They had stone wheelbarrows to move the gold and jewels. They were easy to move, balanced, with the wheel not on the end so that a man had to lift the weight, but in the center. White fell in, he went in with Fred Thomason twice and then took his wife once.
Fred admitted twice they brought stuff out. First time, filled their pockets with gems and each carried a gold bar. They left the stuff with a friend and went to try and interest someone in their find. A government man was interested, but they went back to the friend to get the items and the friend said he’d never seen them.
The next time, they got more treasure and buried it next to the shaft entrance. They went back to the coast to convince some university people and southwest museum people to come out and they got up on the mountains and he could not find the shaft. A storm had changed the landmarks. The scientists were angry and worked hard to discredit them after that.
White and Thomason admitted they could get back in again. They could enter through the galley windows cut up high on the Panamints on the west side – about 4500 to 5000 feet up. Openings across from the Furnace Creek Ranch. Can see the green of the ranch right below and the Furnace Creek Wash across the valley.
Some men got a Native American (Tom Wilson) to guide him whose grandfather had been through the caves. Far south of the mountains, these men found a mine shaft in the mountain where a shaft shouldn’t be. They rushed off and ordered a lot of rope and checked out the shaft. It was not deep, but did not go anywhere.
Note from the blog: This comparison and the long-held stories of the Smithsonian squirreling away finds makes one wonder if the Department of Ethnology made in conjunction with the Smithsonian worked as a front to claim native finds of treasure and then have the Smithsonian step in to take the treasures away. Perhaps the country wished to secure all its resources including anything of great worth of prior cultures and Spanish conquistadors.
MORE INFO: http://www.examiner.com/article/death-valley-s-underground-city-of-gold-the-final-part
Here's my 6-video reading from the book -
Next installment of Grand Canyon Mummies is the final one in which we bring to life a fictionalized narrative of how this all might have gone down....
**For more in this series, look for the tab up at the top of the blog for "Grand Canyon Mummies."
Tuesday, April 9, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies: Google Earth Survey
On all the aspects of the Grand Canyon Mummies topic that Dennis Guern and I will be studying, one aspect is the feasibility of the cave's existence as viewed on Google Earth. We brought in our researcher James Carroll, who has been a real whiz with Google Earth to help us narrow possibilities.
Other installments in this series -
#1 LINK Background
#2 LINK Original Article
#3 LINK Others Attempts To Find the Giants' Cave
(This post is #4)
#5 Link Grand Canyon Mummies Versus Death Valley Mummies
#6 Link Hopi Tale of the Ant People
#7 Link The Story of the Momia de la Cueva
#8 Link Validity of Initialized Names in that Era
Deciding to get a sense of all the locations that meet criteria, we began to do some Google Earth surveys of areas that have had mining (as these mummies apparently mined), lava dams from ancient times 10,000+ years ago where water levels rose to meet the cave entrance area, and Kinkaid's account as well as other researchers surmising potential locales. Let's have a look -
LAVA DAMS
Interestingly, Prospect Canyon meets two criteria: mining (gold/copper) and a lava dam area with previous raised water levels
Whitmore Canyon Lava Dam
Toroweap Lava Dam
These lava dams are in one area together -
Kinkaid potential area
Following Kinkaid's instructions, this is likely the area in which the cave was said to be.
This is some of the east wall that might have offered him the view of the cave.
KNOWN MINING AREAS
Horseshoe Mesa (purest grade of copper)
Prospect Canyon (also a known lava dam area, uranium)
Maricopa Point (copper and silver)
Hermit Mines (copper and silver)
Ultimately, considering Kinkaid's points about east wall, potential mining areas for the mummy tribe and areas with dams created over 10,000 years ago from lava causing the water levels to rise, regions named for Egypt and Greek Gods....
To the west, the lava dams that long ago flooded areas of the Grand Canyon with lakes.
Consider this -
Lava dams are to the west. That is downstream in this view. The lakes formed by the dams would be the east of that, so we look east of the lava dams.
What is east of that area? Mining hot spots and region named for Egyptian and Greek gods.
Bingo!
Now, last thing we have to do is find a north south run of the Colorado since Kinkaid saw the cave on the east wall.
He mentioned seeing the sediment levels of what was once a high water level and "staining."
Of course, many will try to locate his alleged voyage and find ideal conditions, but in the case of Dennis Guern and I, we are looking at all the factors, a bit like the Drake Equation in astronomy that looks for all the best conditions to rate the possibility of life on another planet.
More episodes of this series are coming soon!
Friday, April 5, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies: Others Attempts to Find the Giants' Cave
As researcher Dennis Guern and I continue this series about the supposed giants of the Grand Canyon, we are going to delve this time into the folks who have made attempts to find the caves.
Other installments in this series -
#1 LINK Background
#2 LINK Original Article
(This post is #3)
#4 LINK Google Earth Survey
#5 Link Grand Canyon Mummies Versus Death Valley Mummies
#6 Link Hopi Tale of the Ant People
#7 Link The Story of the Momia de la Cueva
#8 Link Validity of Initialized Names in that Era
#2 LINK Original Article
(This post is #3)
#4 LINK Google Earth Survey
#5 Link Grand Canyon Mummies Versus Death Valley Mummies
#6 Link Hopi Tale of the Ant People
#7 Link The Story of the Momia de la Cueva
#8 Link Validity of Initialized Names in that Era
Monday, April 1, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies: The Original Article
This ongoing series done by Dennis Guern and I will continue with a look at the original 1909 article that started the talk of the mummies entombed in the Grand Canyon.
Here is the article -
Wednesday, March 20, 2019
Grand Canyon Mummies Series: Background
Researcher Dennis Guern and I are doing a series on the Grand Canyon Mummies. We are doing this with the help of co-researcher James Carroll who has covered Google Earth imagery.
Our goal is to objectively look at the descriptions from the 1909 Phoenix Gazette article about the find and see if it is feasible and what clues we can glean from the content.
Today, we open with the background - what was described in the article.
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