Wednesday, February 19, 2020

Lovelock Cave and Death Valley

Infamously known as the cave where the Paiutes' ancestors fought off the red-haired giants or "Si Te Cah," there is a lot of mystery in Lovelock Cave's history.

Dennis Guern and I, with the help of researcher James Carroll, have been uncovering more and more interesting correlations between Lovelock Cave and the Death Valley region. 

Don Monroe shares a jade duck caller from Lovelock Cave at the local museum. So, who was making this smoothly carved technology? 

LINKNon-patent duck calls may have been made as early as 1850, but the first patent was awarded to Elam Fisher in 1870. In 1863, Fred Allen had created external duck calls, but did not have a patent. Allen's calls were barrel calls with straight tone boards and curved reeds. His most unusual call was the “Allen Nickel-Plated Duck Caller” which was made of metal but froze to the hunters' lips and had to be re-made using wood.

This bracelet (above) oldest ever found was 40,000 years ago and created by the Denisovans people of the Altai Mountains in Siberia. This was a technology way ahead of Homo sapiens in technology at that time.

Here's a comparison with modern humans. We supposedly made this flute around that same time period in Germany - made of a bone.

If there was a duck culture at Lovelock Cave that made amazing duck decoys and callers like this one - the target zone is 13,000 years ago when the land bridge was most ideal for travel from say - Denisova Cave area to North America. At that time period, we were just into making cutting tools. 

During this period, what were Denisovans doing also? At 50,000 years ago, they made this needle below - 

Technology would travel with the people, as well. And, at 13,000 years ago, Lovelock Cave was ideally above the water line, before the lake mysteriously dried up after 12,500 years ago, nearly completely gone by 10,500 years.

The Paiutes spoke of the red-haired giants arriving and riding around the giant pluvial lake, Lake Lahontan, in reed boats. This is an obvious culture of people who were adapted to lakes. They were reportedly arriving from the south, which would put them likely at the lake cultures of Lake Panamint and Lake Manly in Death Valley as their origins in the Americas, perhaps even the channel islands off the California coast where giants were uncovered in the earth and obvious a culture of seafaring folks.

The Paiutes ancestors referred to these giants as the Si Te Cah (tule eaters) and said that these people lived on reed boats with great houses upon them. The local natives referred to themselves as the Koop Ticutta or "ground squirrel eaters." 

If one were a lake-culture people they would make reed boats and weave baskets that hold water, and create duck callers, duck decoys of great skill, showing they had always lived on water.  

If one were referred to as ground squirrel eaters, they may have technology based upon that focus of their diet and survival. 

Certainly no duck culture remained after the water receded to distant ponds and small scattered lakes. So this had to be in the heyday of water levels at the cave where reed boat riding Red-Haired Giants were trapped by the Paiute ancestors.

Many reports by archaeological sources have placed the items found in Lovelock cave such as the duck decoys and baskets at 2000 years ago, but -

LINK: "Lake Lahontan largely disappeared at 9000 years ago"

The Paiutes repeat that their ancestors reported the red-haired giants having come from the south.

To the south of Lake Lahontan were Lake Panamint and Lake Manly that cradled both sides of what today is Death Valley.

The red-haired giants were reported to build reed boats and navigate on them. We can all concede that had to be a technology they didn't learn overnight. They were obviously a water culture. So, the likely southern location to have learned such technology was in what is today Death Valley.

Interestingly, the southern Paiutes reported the Hav-Musuvs, a people who seafaring and arrived there before they did in the Death Valley area when there was water there. They said they came on rowing boats and used them to go back and forth trading with far-off lands. 

When the water "dried up" (more on that later), the people went underground with their vast technologies and learned to build silver flying disks to sail in the sky instead of water.

It is interesting to note that repeated stories of a Hollow Earth location report flying disk vehicles and winged vehicles in cultures across the globe. Should a culture decide to go underground, they may adapt the technology of those people. 

Although that is a big stretch of the imagination, it is a good practice to take legends and look at them as a necessary knowledge passed down to generations, sometimes through extravagant stories to ensure their retelling, but the events are the focus of the stories, as it was important to always remember.

Both Paiute tribes, north and south, encountered exceptional technology from a strange people. This might further verify the concept of a "giant" prior culture.

Lake Manly dried up 10,000 years ago and Lake Panamint (also in Death Valley) dried up around the same time, although some water remained until 6000 years ago.

Whatever brought these red-haired giants to Lake Lahontan, their legend continues on and evidence of their existence. As well, findings of giant red-haired skeletons and mummies have been reported around the ancient pluvial lake's shores as well as Pyramid Lake, one of the last remnants of the ancient lake. 

Water and flora, fowl, animals, as well as humans abounded along the ancient lake as the last remnants of the ice age melted off. What culture came to the location to live on boats and possibly focus their talents from their homeland on duck calls and decoys? 

We may never truly know as much was lost to the haste of early explorers and also other entities with a focus on a certain story line for humankind that needs to be maintained for cryptic reasons. 

But, if one were to ask us, looking at the quality of the duck caller and the bracelet - it might just be the last of the Denisovans people - seafaring perhaps 10,000-50,000 years ago to the Americas. 

It would have been a 6300-mile journey across a mountainous region (very much what Denisovans were adapted for) and to the sea where their DNA remains today in the people of Oceania, Peru, and the Inuits


  1. This is just a suggestion, but some of your theories coinscide with events int he book of mormon, people theorize that the people of Nephi were very large people I have heard bigger than we are today. also if you ever visit any native america ruins like the Sinaqua ruions in northern Arizona you would note that that tribe was very short people, I am 5'6" and I have to duck to go through some of the doorways at some of the ruins

    1. It's my belief tribes like the Anasazi made small doorways and small tunnels under their kivas to make it harder for the giants to reach them. Eventually, they built up on the cliffs. Part of me ponders if the cliff dwellings were really meant to house natives that the giants used as slave workers for mining....

  2. it would make more sense than the current theory which was that the grew corn on the ridges of clif dwellings..if you have ever been to wallnut canyon you will see there was nowhere for them to really do that kind of farming