Desert Submarine Base?

The town of Hawthorne, Nevada harbors a big 18-mile x 8-mile lake called Walker Lake. It also houses a guarded "Naval Undersea Warfare Center." This amazing lake has not one structure to support the locals enjoying a swim or some fishing, but does have some kind of base along its western edge. It has also been associated with some pretty amazing conjecture.

The area is listed as being fleet testing and logistics in Hawthorne, Nevada. 

For some time there has been talk of a potential opening in the shelf of California near Point Dume near Malibu that submarines can go in the water under land all the way to Walker Lake, approximately 395 miles. 

The Paiutes have a legend of the Hav Masuvs, a giant and advanced people who went underground in the west when glacial lakes began to dry out. There are theories that the water went underground and they did too, into enormous caverns rich with water and possibly the same watery caverns used by the military to trek to Walker Lake. 

This would possibly tie the military to ongoing interactions with the ancients. What might we learn from them, what might they get from us? 

This 1650 map shows California to be an island. This supposed "misjudgment" by Europeans on a map, showing California as an island, was allegedly perpetuated by other map makers who continued the error. But, given the area from Imperial Valley, California and up through Death Valley (which was once filled with water) and into Western Nevada where Lake Lohantan once was (Lovelock Cave area), there are lots of reason to believe these areas were filled with water at one time which might have given the impression of California as an island, but the waterways dried up thousands of years ago or it retreated during seismic activity to an underground site. 

If you lost your water, wouldn't you chase it? Might they have adapted to living in cave systems? We already know they buried in caves, lived in caves, and mined in caves. This was their home already.

Perhaps their kind died off soon, without large amounts of humans to cannibalize. Perhaps they emerged from time to time to abduct their meals. Perhaps they lived on the large fish population underground and bats and occasional emerged to stalk other creatures for food source. 

Source:  This pristine spring in the unique environment of Ash Meadows in Nevada is hydrologically connected to Devil’s Hole, which is a nearly vertical cavern below the water table in southern Nevada. An endangered species, Devil’s Hole pupfish, has lived in Devil’s Hole pool for thousands of years. The water level in Devil’s Hole oscillated in response to the Denali Fault earthquake, which disrupted the spawning areas of the pupfish near the surface of the pool.

This (below) is a Navy munitions storage site built in WWII Era in Hawthorne, NV.

The site was there for many decades, but was taken over by the Army in 1977.  It is supposedly managed by a civilian company at this point. It was reported to once have signs that it was a naval training facility. Naval training in Nevada?

(Signs like this one above don't help quell the rumors) 

The interesting talk here is of a shelf in the Pacific, under California, that allows submarines to travel under the US. Some reports have said as far as St. Louis, others have said from Puget Sound to under Idaho. The question becomes, if such a thing were possible, where does a submarine reemerge in the West? Does it come up at a lake and what lake would it possibly access? 

Salt water would have to communicate with the lakes that the subs could emerge from, so if one believes the theory, the Great Salt Lake in Utah would seem the likely culprit. It is highly saline and large. However, reading about Walker Lake, it is extremely saline as many western lakes often become, like the Salton Sea in California.  

In the Malibu, California area near Point Dume, there appears from aerial views to be a opening under the shelf with pillars. This lends credence, some say, to the concept that submarines can go from California to Nevada underground. It is approximately 2000 feet down and three miles wide.

Experts all agree that it is a perfectly explainable geologic feature, not something constructed. 


Ultimately, it would seem that a giant waterway under the west would not make sense from a geological standpoint. There is plenty of drilling for oil going on without incident. There are plenty of fault lines and seismic activity, as well as lava caves from volcanoes and plenty of caves. All of these could technically be filled with water, but in no way would that represent a potential submarine trek-way to Nevada.  

There is a place in the Phillipines that has an underground river that runs 5 miles to the sea:  The underground Cabayugan river long remained hidden from the Western world and was once held a mythical status, the only evidence of it being the stories and rumors of the native people of the island. In 1898, the American Zoologist Dean C. Worcester spent a good deal of time studying the fauna of Palawan and made mention of the mysterious river, saying, “If accounts are to be believed, of a lake opening to the sea by a subterranean river.”

That river, however, is not a navigable waterway that runs the length from California Coastline to Nevada's desert. That would be exceptional beyond compare, especially given the effects of earthquakes on it and wherever its outlet is in the desert. 

Interestingly, one outdoor adventurer I know mentioned oil and gas drilling bore holes abandoned in California that led one to come to the conclusion they had hit an underwater lake or river. It might communicate with the ocean, as it is reported the water rises and lowers with the tides. In fact, this person was in talks about the potential to be the first to raft that waterway. Should such a thing come to be, I'd certainly want to cover that happening!  

What this does have me considering is the underground in the west. We find giants in caves. We find their traces of mining. We hear tales of them being trapped and killed in caves. And, some believe they still live in them. Now, the underground West gets exciting when we think caves might still be a refuge!  

More info: 
Hawthorn Ammunitions Complex
More on Lake under Nevada
Extensive post about the geological explanations


  1. AFAIK, the absolute depth limit of most US Navy nuclear submarines is 1,000 feet.


  3. That is an interesting article. It makes me think about a night me and my ex wife Dodie seen a long canoe shape underneath the water while swimming by firelight at Arrow Rock Reservoir. 20 or so miles from Boise. It was roughly 75-100 yards long and about 50 yards wide. Perpendicular to the shore. About 75 yards from shore. We had noticed it after swimming and gettng out and warming up by the fire. Needless to say, we thought it could be a USO, but never seen or heard of any that shape. Its closer to the shape of a submarine rather than a USO or UFO. We didn't swim anymore that night. It was pretty creepy. We had gone swimming there before day and night and after that incident as well. We never did see it again. I've heard of underground bases and the like but a truckers video out of Missouri sure was proof as he drove a big rig through an underground base and big enough to put 4 story office buildings in, parking lots, and warehouses. Definitely, something that might exist.

  4. Originally I heard of the underground passage years ago, when I came across an
    article of a miner who had originally found the underground waterway and also an article
    more recently of an engineer that found the underground waterway but refused to disclose the location because he wanted a finder's fee from the state of Nevada water commission,
    which they wouldn't pay, here is the link : .
    its quite an interesting trail and I would feel that the Navy would find it very strategic to have a passage that was deep enough and big enough for a sub to fit it, its very plausible, although these days we would have to add it to the Antarctica alien base and others , until we get real film which would really be something right.

    1. That's a fantastic find! Thanks for the link. As a research group, our team has studied places like Amargosa River running underground in Death Valley and postulated about the dried up lakes of the Pleistocene like Lake Manly, Lake Panamint, and Lake Lahontan. It seems as if these lakes dried out much too quickly for a warm climate and given their location in seismic-active areas, we pondered that they drained out following major quakes, leaving the ground dry and therefore heating the climate rather than the heating climate drying them up.

  5. Due to design limitations, the maximum depth of U.S. Naval Submarines (latest versions) is approximately 1,100-ft. There ARE submarines in the world that are KNOWN to reach 6,000-ft depth, but their hull-construction is 100% titanium (U.S. Submarines are NOT, we do not have that amount of Titanium available). Knowing the maximum limitations of U.S. submarines is the primary reason I discounted this theory years ago, when I first heard of the 'UFO underwater base' off the coast of California. While yes, we could 'in-theory' traverse such depths with bathyscaphes and DSVs, they do NOT have the range to reach from the Pacific to Nevada without again, the only proposal would be if the U.S. found a 'near inexhaustible source' of Titanium...and to my knowledge, this is NOT the case. There is only ONE nation in the world that could come close to such claims, and they are NOT going to sell their 'tactical Titanium resources' to potentially hostile nations...ever.


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